While I may be opening up a can of worms with this topic, the TURN staff is all about continuous improvement. We don't claim to make flawless decisions, but I can tell you that we learn from our mistakes and we move forward with an action plan. That said, we'd love to know what you thought we did well this season, and what you think we could improve on for next time.

There are no bad ideas here, but please try to keep it constructive and actionable. Telling us that we suck or that the car choices were terrible doesn't give us enough insight as to how to fix the potential problem. Also, let other participants have their opinions, but constructively building on others ideas is perfectly acceptable. With that...I'll start:

Things I want to see stay in TURN official series:

1] I think the broadcasts really helped showcase how much talent we have here at TURN and I think it engages an audience that isn't necessarily racing with us currently. Just from this series alone, we've gained over 200 twitch followers.

2] The analysis sheets in the series documents clearly identify what's going on in the championship, as well as looking presentable.

Things I think could improve for future TURN official series:

1] perhaps rotating the broadcast to lobby B every so often would help showcase even more of the talent in TURN

2] Having the schedule show track names, circuit maps, race distances (laps), and weather/time conditions shown at the beginning of the season will help bring clarity for whats ahead rather than simply listing the track environment. (ie - Monza Alt, rather than simply saying Monza)

3] Scoring a "hardcore championship" alongside the normal championship will help show off the talents of those drivers that choose to run without ABS / STM / TCS. Several drivers have said they are longing for a hardcore series, but the issue is that the vast majority doesn't want to be forced to run a certain way. Combine that with the type of motorsport that those wanting to run a hardcore mode, and it just doesn't make sense to run it entirely by itself...but scored alongside the normal championship (similar to privateer championship) could be an interesting and rewarding for those brave and skilled drivers.

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Ryan, on the idea of scoring a "hardcore championship" - it's going to be hard to enforce that to make sure nobody is cheating. I think eventually either an Official or CORE series will have to feature a "hardcore"-style format. Those that want an aid or two will have to run on another series.


Whenever the next v8 series happens the process for operating a series will be better streamlined by that point I think, so I'll save my comments on that part. Once I've had more time to think about it I'll make a future post.

the only improvements I could think of is streaming of lobby B because there is normally some really good racing. If possible I would like to see a way for lobby B to gain positions on lobby A other than DNFs. I have ideas but it would be possible for Lobby B to still be able to get a high finish i.e if you are a lap down in Lobby A people on the lead lap in lobby B can overtake you.

Lobby A DNFs are beaten by Lobby B finishers if the DNF occurs before 75%

Scholesy46 wrote:Lobby A DNFs are beaten by Lobby B finishers if the DNF occurs before 75%

I know thats why I said other than DNFs. I would like to see some way of allowing Lobby B to have more of an opportunity to move up because there are some guys that may be slow in qualifying but they're so consistent in the race that they could compete if they were in lobby A. I'm certainly not one of those people but there are a few people that have race pace to match the higher lobbies

I know some people can actually qualify for lobby A but deliberately sand bag or choose to run lobby B because they don't want to participate in the lobby as some people have issues with racing. To me I don't think should get the opportunity to beat some of the lobby A guys

galeforce97 wrote:

Scholesy46 wrote:Lobby A DNFs are beaten by Lobby B finishers if the DNF occurs before 75%

I know thats why I said other than DNFs. I would like to see some way of allowing Lobby B to have more of an opportunity to move up because there are some guys that may be slow in qualifying but they're so consistent in the race that they could compete if they were in lobby A. I'm certainly not one of those people but there are a few people that have race pace to match the higher lobbies

That's Motorsport though, you only have to look at Rosberg n Hamilton this year to see that quali is a very important part of the race weekend. If these guys can run consistently fast then they should be able to do it in quali, if they do n they qualify in lobby A then as you say they should be able to make up places through the race through their consistency. It's hard to judge a guy at the front of lobby B's overall race time against someone at back of lobby A as the lobby A guy has traffic whereas lobby b guy don't. In the race for example I was running 53's at start of race due to being in traffic, as soon as the field spread out and I wasn't amongst traffic I was running 51's. if I had started in pole in lobby b I would have run 51's/52's whole race with no traffic to interfere so overall race time would have been quicker for me in lobby b as no traffic to impede my lap times thus giving a distorted overall race time. Besides, with the chance of making more points in lobby b than lobby a this leaves it wide open to sandbagging and also gives less incentive to practice more n push for lobby A.

My feedback would be:

Possibility of dropped rounds (as people have real life commitments and shouldn't be put off entering altogether if they know they have to miss one or two races and therefore have no fair chance of competing). If it's the same for everyone no-one can complain, worst two rounds points are not calculated in overall points for example.

Streaming - been quite impressed with the streams however still room for improvement. It would be nice if more notice of champ standings/ongoing battles taken into account when choosing who to watch in race, for example me and Micko were 2 points apart for lead of the privateer championship and racing wheel to wheel (at Daytona I think) yet the stream followed one car going round on his own for 5 minutes. Not good for the viewers who would prefer to watch wheel to wheel racing.

I also think a nice little feature could be where you highlight a few drivers every week, where you can give a small profile of them and spend more time following those chosen drivers while racing that week. Obviously if there is a great battle going on elsewhere then that should be focused on however it would be nice if everyone got their little moment in the limelight, for example, if 10 races in championship, 40 drivers enter, then 4 drivers every week get their "limelight" moment, this would mean all 40 drivers have had some coverage at some point in the season.

A more serious point here, the SI's have been questionable in this series and inconsistent. The fact they are all done behind closed doors leads to a feeling of, "who ya know", rather than "what you done" scenario. If they were transparent and out in the open this would make it much more honest n trustworthy. I am not saying there was biased decisions made, however without the transparency it can lead to raised eyebrows. The simple fact you have teams/dev team members who have drivers in the series and also stewards in the same series is not independent and leaves itself open to bias or at least the feeling of bias.

My last point would be, and we all know this is coming. A no assist series to be run. V8's do no use stability control, ABS or TCS in real life and it would have been ideal in these cars to run the same for this series as the cars are lairy enough to keep you on your toes and ensure skill is rewarded, yet they are manageable enough whereas any driver with some skill and the right tune can drive them. Yes, some people may choose not to enter as they don't like not having the security blanket of assists to drive for them however I choose not to enter a series run on a Saturday, don't mean no championships should be run on Saturdays, it just means I won't be in it.

Other than that I've really enjoyed this series and give a huge thanks to the organisers and to all the competitors. I appreciate all the hard work everyone here at TURN does, I know it can't be easy.

Munky AIDS wrote:

galeforce97 wrote:

Scholesy46 wrote:Lobby A DNFs are beaten by Lobby B finishers if the DNF occurs before 75%

I know thats why I said other than DNFs. I would like to see some way of allowing Lobby B to have more of an opportunity to move up because there are some guys that may be slow in qualifying but they're so consistent in the race that they could compete if they were in lobby A. I'm certainly not one of those people but there are a few people that have race pace to match the higher lobbies

That's Motorsport though, you only have to look at Rosberg n Hamilton this year to see that quali is a very important part of the race weekend. If these guys can run consistently fast then they should be able to do it in quali, if they do n they qualify in lobby A then as you say they should be able to make up places through the race through their consistency. It's hard to judge a guy at the front of lobby B's overall race time against someone at back of lobby A as the lobby A guy has traffic whereas lobby b guy don't. In the race for example I was running 53's at start of race due to being in traffic, as soon as the field spread out and I wasn't amongst traffic I was running 51's. if I had started in pole in lobby b I would have run 51's/52's whole race with no traffic to interfere so overall race time would have been quicker for me in lobby b as no traffic to impede my lap times thus giving a distorted overall race time. Besides, with the chance of making more points in lobby b than lobby a this leaves it wide open to sandbagging and also gives less incentive to practice more n push for lobby A.

I know for a fact we were meant to have 20 drivers for our race at Watkins Glen however the bottom three drivers all dropped down into B lobby so they didn't have to deal with the carnage of A lobby or host B lobby. I feel the if you qualify in A lobby that it should be seen as an advantage for you as you've put in the effort to go as fast as you can. I've many times been on the recieving end of both making A lobby and not making A lobby and I can tell you it sucks when you don't but at the end of the day you have to push and hope for lag outs/ DNFs in the A lobby. And to those who sandbag to get into B lobby and then run fast in there I don't feel that's very fair to classify them ahead of A lobby racers. I may have gotten the wrong end of the stick of what you said Munkey and just repeated what you said in which case oops and oh well

Munky AIDS wrote:I also think a nice little feature could be where you highlight a few drivers every week, where you can give a small profile of them and spend more time following those chosen drivers while racing that week. Obviously if there is a great battle going on elsewhere then that should be focused on however it would be nice if everyone got their little moment in the limelight, for example, if 10 races in championship, 40 drivers enter, then 4 drivers every week get their "limelight" moment, this would mean all 40 drivers have had some coverage at some point in the season

They do talk about other drivers during the race and qualifying on the streams, for example last week they spoke about yourself, stepanov and a few other I believe so they do talk about others and they do also look for battles up and down the pack quite often it's just that in some cases the best battles are ones that are for position and points, such as Zermatt and Breeze or in the case of Watkins Glen RR and I where having really the only battle, and a bloody good one too, so you don't really want to move away and miss some great action. I do however understand what you're saying and yes perhaps a feature on each racer would be good

I have one suggestion. BLUE FLAGS lol I think its been good tho. Ive enjoyed it